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The Josip · Jul 26, 2010, 09:26 PM // 21:26

I know that "2 month frequency skill update" is now in fact 4 month span, but is it possible we get a preview on how Dervish skill changes might look? Or if someone can post a link to wikileaks

Zodiac Meteor · Jul 26, 2010, 09:28 PM // 21:28

Yes please, 4 months with no news is irritating. At least give us a preview by now.

Yelling @ Cats · Jul 26, 2010, 09:30 PM // 21:30

Sorry, we have been busy with unforeseen holiday events.

Next month.

Zodiac Meteor · Jul 26, 2010, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by Yelling @ Cats

Sorry, we have been busy with unforeseen holiday events.

Next month.

So, an preview update isn't possible because Anet is making Holidays?

That makes perfect sense.

Yelling @ Cats · Jul 26, 2010, 10:10 PM // 22:10

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Originally Posted by Zodiac Meteor

So, an preview update isn't possible because Anet is making Holidays?

That makes perfect sense.

Or maybe one of them had a cold.

Who knows.

Shayne Hawke · Jul 26, 2010, 11:06 PM // 23:06

Saying nothing else about the status of the update, I would advise you not to hold your breath.

StormDragonZ · Jul 26, 2010, 11:07 PM // 23:07

I can already say that Onslaught will have nothing changed about it... maybe...

Broseiden · Jul 26, 2010, 11:10 PM // 23:10

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Originally Posted by Yelling @ Cats

Sorry, we have been busy with unforeseen holiday events.

Next month.

I guess that means a certain someone is getting an event for leaving the Live Team ;D

Which is fine, because even though I main Dervish, I don't really care if they get an update. I do fine on my own, and realistically everyone is good in PvE. This holiday would be so much better since it is something I actually need.

Nijntjuh · Jul 26, 2010, 11:22 PM // 23:22

title got me excited..... content let me down......

EDIT: nvm i read title wrong fail me >.>

Lishy · Jul 27, 2010, 01:25 AM // 01:25

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Originally Posted by The Josip

I know that "2 month frequency skill update" is now in fact 4 month span, but is it possible we get a preview on how Dervish skill changes might look? Or if someone can post a link to wikileaks

Sure. In the Dervish buff, many Dervish skills are going to be buffed.

There ya go, is that enough of an answer?

Chthon · Jul 27, 2010, 01:59 AM // 01:59

Prediction: The fundamental problems with Dervishes won't be fixed. Many skills will get buffed, but not skills relevant to generic attack-spammer builds, and nothing will be buffed enough to make anything else superior to generic attack-spammer builds.

(Though I really, truly, would like a-net to show the sense to remove the counter-productive damage type conversions from AoHM and the avatars. Seeing as the anti-synergy between AoHM and necro buffs is what keeps Dervs out of well-planned groups, and a couple of the avatars would be maybe borderline worth considering if not for the same anti-synergy.)

Sirius Bsns · Jul 27, 2010, 02:09 AM // 02:09

All I know is Dervishes lack utility (i.e.: knock-downs, interrupts, reliable non-elite deepwound, etc.). If none of these utile effects are added to the Dervish, I don't forsee any major use in PvP... and PvE is "bleh" because it already has its own "rule of thumb" regimented/used builds (Spirit Spammers, Damage Mesmers, Sabways, [insert other hard-to-beat builds here], etc.).

code · Jul 27, 2010, 02:13 AM // 02:13

As far as I know the Dervish changes are not ready for testing yet.

Axel Zinfandel · Jul 27, 2010, 03:39 AM // 03:39

/signed :O

Previews would be nice enough

Eluvatar · Jul 27, 2010, 04:08 AM // 04:08

it seems you can take anything anet says about doing somthing on a regular basis (other then weekly and something they can automate) and multiply the time by 2 or more, they will never release content when they say they will

lets all look forward to gw2 before we all grow old

Lord Dagon · Jul 27, 2010, 04:45 AM // 04:45

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Originally Posted by Eluvatar

it seems you can take anything anet says about doing somthing on a regular basis (other then weekly and something they can automate) and multiply the time by 2 or more, they will never release content when they say they will

lets all look forward to gw2 before we all grow old

yep lol go go GW2 in the year 4022!

in all seriousness tho i kinda gotta say how do u have "unforseen holiday events." I know Linsey was resigned to some super secret Gw2 team thats doing something magical but she was offered by anet.. wouldnt they kinda know shed be going? and just kinda script the event, then hire her on to the super secret GW2 team, Then post the event, then work on dervs? That makes the most sense to me.

And What Sirius Bsns said unless they fix the fundemental problems w/ dervs, they still arent gonna be used even if like the avatar elites lose the 120 second recharge or w/e else they wanan do to buff dervs.

so yes id likea preview on dervs so i can see wether or not i should delte my ranger for one... id be nice to see even like scratch notes on like ideas so we can get a rouh idea what they are gonna do.

belshazaarswrath · Jul 27, 2010, 05:25 AM // 05:25

Didn't they say they'd start on this after they put out the GvG updates? The GvG updates they spoke of haven't come out yet. So there's nothing to preview.

Expect something in September. That's what I'm doing.

Not that they really need to do this RIGHT NAO. They just unloaded WiK and that big Mes update. That's a lot of content in a short period of time.

Winterclaw · Jul 27, 2010, 05:44 AM // 05:44

Anet is still doing updates?

shoyon456 · Jul 27, 2010, 06:11 AM // 06:11

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

Anet is still doing updates?

This. Combined with the "that would take too many resources from GW2."

In fact, this is part of why I will not buy GW2.

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In all seriousness, let's just hope they get it done correctly rather than rushing it out the door.

reaper with no name · Jul 27, 2010, 06:29 AM // 06:29

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Originally Posted by Chthon

Prediction: The fundamental problems with Dervishes won't be fixed. Many skills will get buffed, but not skills relevant to generic attack-spammer builds, and nothing will be buffed enough to make anything else superior to generic attack-spammer builds.

(Though I really, truly, would like a-net to show the sense to remove the counter-productive damage type conversions from AoHM and the avatars. Seeing as the anti-synergy between AoHM and necro buffs is what keeps Dervs out of well-planned groups, and a couple of the avatars would be maybe borderline worth considering if not for the same anti-synergy.)

This.

You can't nerf attack skill spam, because then scythes become useless, and it's the only thing dervishes can do somewhat effectively.

You can't buff attack skill spam, because other classes can already use the scythe better than the dervish, and that won't help.

You can't buff enchantment juggling, because...well, actually, you can, but unless you give all PBAoEs armor ignoring damage, 1/4 second cast times, 3 sec recharges, and 5 energy costs while giving all enchantment removal attacks 5 energy costs with instant recharges and 1/2 sec activations and +70 damage while reverting mysticism...then enchantment juggling will never compete with attack skill spam, and will therefore remain useless. Sadly, that's just how powerful attack skill spam is. Even with a 60 armor-ignoring enchantment every sec or so, you still need a 0.5 sec activation 100+ damage attack skill after it just to compete with zealous vow and warrior's endurance, to say nothing of beating them (and to beat critscythe? jeez, the numbers would have to be even higher). And it's highly unlikely Anet would be willing to do this, because these sorts of numbers look very overpowered until you actually do the math.

Realistically, the only thing we can expect from Anet that will really help the dervish is to link AoHM to mysticism, thereby making the dervish the best scythe user almost by default.